Halil Özgür - 2009-04-01 07:50:19
In order to prevent such abuses, services like Uceprotect MUST use some technique, be it SPF or some other technology. Otherwise they are going to prove unreliable.
Manuel Lemos - 2009-04-01 08:22:48 - In reply to message 1 from Halil Özgür
The PHPClasses site gets between 400 and 500 new subscribers a day. That is a lot of new subscribers.
The users that try to subscribe using an e-mail address of an ISP (e-mail provider) that relies on UCEProtect, will be rejected right there in the subscription form. The site will not even accept the registration to confirm it later.
Most of the classes available in the site require that the user is registered to download. So, if the user cannot register with the e-mail address provided by his ISP, he will switch to another ISP.
In the end, who will loose are ISPs that rely on UCEProtect while they insist on blacklisting innocent sites. So I am afraid that either UCEProtect finds a way to avoid blacklisting innocent sites, or the ISPs that rely on UCEProtect soon or later will drop them.
Halil Özgür - 2009-04-01 17:53:52 - In reply to message 2 from Manuel Lemos
I hope that UCEPROTECT and others hear these.
I think that it would be better if spam fighting parties join their forces and focus on reliable technologies, maybe as in SPF and DomainKeys.
If some reliable mechanism becomes really popular and/or unavoidable and is used in most of the MTA's around the world, then hopefully spammers would get less chance.
Halil Özgür - 2009-04-01 17:54:46 - In reply to message 2 from Manuel Lemos
I wasn't sure if this is the place to post this, but, look at http://www.uceprotect.org/.
"we will stop all spammers on this planet" (Right now, they are stopping themselves.)
"WARNING: Do not play around here. You have no idea who we really are, and what will happen to you!"
This is idio-comic.
So is this how they provide service? A reliable (or one that tries to be anyway) service/software provider should be quite a bit more realistic.
No offense guys, but I feel right to say this, especially if the relevant party here affects how my (and many others') email messages deliver globally.
Uceprotect, ISPs, mail server administrators, I hope you see all.
Sean Sullivan - 2009-04-01 17:55:06 - In reply to message 1 from Halil Özgür
UCEProtect are not valid RBL's in my opinion. They are simply scammers out to make a quick buck as the only way to get off their lists quickly is to pay them a blackmail fee of $250. Of course you just end up back on the list a few days later....and the cycle continues. They erronously add IP's constantly and have a nasty attitude. Being a server provider, we constantly have to go to bat for clients who's IP's get listed for VALID emailings (ie not Viagra UCE crap, but rather opt-in lists). We've had our bout with real spammers and to be honest suspect EVERY new client of being a spammer and have a very very very strict NO MONEY BACK policy as a result. But occassionaly one slips thru...and the fight with UCE an other rogue lists starts...